Feb. 15, 2024

Students Suffer Outdoor Disaster Due to Government Negligence

Students Suffer Outdoor Disaster Due to Government Negligence
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Students Suffer Outdoor Disaster Due to Government Negligence

An outdoor disaster struck a group of students visiting Cave Creek in Paparoa National Park when the unthinkable happened.

The government admitted fault in the disaster, but what happened in the end left many frustrated.

The outdoor disaster, response, and investigation that followed shocked New Zealand and lead to permanent change.

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Tatiana: There isn't a minimum
height where you can fall

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without possibly getting injured.

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The higher you are, the
more dangerous the fall.

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The median height leading to
death is about 49 feet, which is

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roughly four or five stories high.

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And after 85 feet, nearly
100% of people will die.

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But what do you do when you fall?

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You put your hands down in front of
you, or if you're falling backwards,

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some people reached behind.

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But what if you don't have time to
process the fact that you're falling.

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One second, you're standing on a
platform, looking out over a ledge

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and enjoying the beautiful wilderness
you're surrounded with by your friends.

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And the very next second
you're on the ground.

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But the height you fell
from is over 85 feet high.

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It's actually 100 feet high.

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For Stacy Mitchell, he
had that type of fall.

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One second.

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He was standing on a platform
over a ledge at cave Creek.

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They were enjoying the wilderness
and the beauty all around them.

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And the very next second, the platform
they were standing on collapsed.

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For a few seconds.

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He laid there trying to
process what happened.

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Trying to come to terms with where he was
at now, because he wasn't looking out over

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the ledge and talking with his friends
on the field trip they were on anymore.

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No Stacy was now standing
on a shattered platform.

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Some of his school mates were
laying on top of it, around him and

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some of them were underneath it.

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And all he could do was
look at the scared faces.

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of his group, counselor, and
another classmate who weren't on

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the platform and ask what happened.

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Because after this, they would spend
the next few hours waiting for help.

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That took too long to come.

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While they watched their classmates die.

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This is the story.

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Of the cave Creek disaster.

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Where a platform built
by government officials.

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Was constructed so poorly.

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That it collapsed and led
to the death of 18 people.

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And how they had to sit around
for hours waiting for help.

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While, one rescue
helicopter flew above them.

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I'm, Tatiana.

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And this is occurrence.

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There was the Steven Hannon before
the collapse and the Stephen after.

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Before the collapse, Stephen was active
and fit and enjoyed the outdoors.

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Running around and hiking and hunting
where some of the things he liked to do.

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After the collapse, he had a
different appreciation of life.

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But things are harder now.

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Just going to grab something
from the kitchen was hard.

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He had a lot of bad days.

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More than most, but he had
a lot of good days too.

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If he's able to try something, he will,
but he missed how easy things used to be.

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Before he joined the
school's outdoor program.

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There was a Polytechnic school
in gray mouth, New Zealand.

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That had an outdoor program.

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There were 40 students
enrolled in the program.

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And they came from all over the country.

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They all had a common love of the outdoors
and that's what caused them to enroll.

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It was a lot of students first
time being away from home.

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So most of them lived
in the hostel on campus.

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Andrew McCarthy was actually a physics
teacher at the Catholic school.

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Next door.

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His daughter, Catherine, who they called
Kathy was in the Polytechnic program.

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And every single year he can't
help, but to make sure his

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students understood a few things.

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One that if you ignore
physics, people die.

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And to what went wrong in cave Creek.

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Kathy was a tenacious girl who got
into it with her dad sometimes,

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but was always encouraging.

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She lived with her mom up until she
enrolled into the Polytechnic program

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where she then went to live with her dad.

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The group would regularly go
on field trips and they usually

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divided into two groups to do it.

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Group a and group B.

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The first day group a would
go onto the field trip while

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group B stayed back on campus.

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And then the next day they would
flip flop with group B going on

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the trip and group a staying back.

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So on April 27th, 1995, it was
group ACE turned To visit this

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tourist destination called cave
Creek in Paparoa national park.

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It was part of a system of wilderness,
caves and rivers and the perfect

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place for an outdoor activities group.

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After making it to Poona cakey bay
drove less than a mile north before

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turning onto Bala Creek farm road.

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They drove down it for 20 minutes
before parking the vehicles, the

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department of conservation who I'll
call doc provided during tours in a

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flat area off to the side of the road.

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From there, they walked on foot and
everyone was super excited to visit

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a place they hadn't been before.

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And to maybe get to walk
in the water at cave Creek.

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John Skilton was a Polytechnic tutor and
in charge of the group for this trip.

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The first step along the trail was to
check out the view from the wooden viewing

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platform off the right side of the trail.

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When the students laid eyes on
it, they all rushed onto it.

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To check out the view overlooking
allege 100 feet above cave Creek.

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But once they rushed onto the
platform, a student dropped their

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umbrella accidentally over the ledge.

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So everyone leaned forward
to watch it fall down.

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There were looking out over the platform,
the railing on it was about waist high.

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But when everyone leaned forward on
the platform to look at the umbrella

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fall, some people felt it flex a little.

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It rocked forwards and
backwards really briefly.

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Surely Slatter who was a conservation
officer for Poona KCI said she felt this

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bouncing and jerking sensation on the
platform and it kind of made her nervous.

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And after some kids said, what
would happen if we started jumping,

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you know how some people are the
ones who just kind of like to scare

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everyone else with their antics.

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Maybe you've been on a
Ferris wheel with them.

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And they're the person that rocks the
ferris wheel will see to see what happens

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or the person that you're standing on
a sketchy bridge with and they shake

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it or jump just to see what happens.

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I'm sure everyone has encountered
that type of person or has

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been that type of person.

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But either way, those kids were
the ones who started jumping.

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Everyone took it pretty lightly.

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It didn't concern them, I guess.

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Surely felt like it wasn't
stable enough for all of them

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to be on it, especially jumping.

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So she asked for half of them to get
off and told everyone to stop jumping.

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She noticed a wooden post
in the front wavering a bit.

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And she hadn't seen that before,
but for the most part group ACE

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trip passed relatively smoothly.

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Once surely .Got back to headquarters.

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She mentioned what happened
to her boss, Steven.

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Oh day.

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And not to get mixed up with the Stephen.

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I mentioned before.

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I'll call him officer O'dea

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so Shirley asked officer
O'Dea to check it out.

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He was supposed to leave the next day to
go up north for his son's eighth birthday.

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But instead decided to postpone
in order to go with group B and

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surely the next day to check it out.

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The next day on the 28th.

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It's time for group B strip.

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On the way there any best friends with
Leanne was driving, and stalled their

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van in a puddle on the way to Poona KCI.

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It was a funny experience
in something unexpected, but

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lighthearted to get the day started.

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It was a beautiful day.

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It was clear and they could
see all the way at the coast.

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And one student in group B
mentioned how he wanted to climb

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the cliffs on the coast one day.

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They took the same route.

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That group aided the day before.

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Through the farm and onto the trail.

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And when they got to the top of
the hill, right before the part of

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the trail leading to the platform.

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Leanne said that she started falling
behind because her knee was feeling

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sore and she couldn't keep up with
the fast walkers in the main group.

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Right around that time.

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Surely who was leading the
tour group, slipped into a sit,

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her ankle a little further up.

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After she did that, she kind of sat for
a minute and decided that she wanted

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to go relieve herself in the bushes.

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And she just asked officer O'Dea her boss
and John to continue on with the group.

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She goes and handles her
business in the bushes.

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And before they actually get to
the platform, John decided he

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needed to relieve himself to.

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So he branched off to relieve
himself about 20 meters away

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from where the platform was.

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And that left.

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Officer And 17 students.

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To go look out over the
outlook from the platform.

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In total, there are about five in the
group that weren't on the platform.

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Three students, John, the counselor,
and surely the conservation officer.

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And suddenly those five people
heard an indescribable sound.

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And screaming.

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They ran over to where they
heard the noise coming from.

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And the three students who
hadn't been there before, didn't

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know what they were looking at.

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Because there was nothing there.

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They could see a couple of steps off
to the side with nothing attached.

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It just looked like a normal
slope, looking out over the valley.

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But they could hear the
screams that hadn't stopped.

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For John and Shirley who had been there
and knew what should have been there.

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They immediately jumped into action.

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Once they realized the
platform had fallen down.

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18 people standing on
that wooden platform.

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Fell 100 feet to the bottom of cave Creek.

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So Shirley grabbed a student named
mark and they ran all the way back

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to the cars to radio for help.

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But when they got there, Shirley
realized she didn't have the keys.

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There were three trucks
there with radios attached.

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And they could only work
if the vehicles were on.

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One set of keys was with Steve and
he was at the bottom of cave Creek.

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So surely looked at the three vehicles
she couldn't use that were unlocked

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and couldn't start and look to mark
and told him he had to run as fast

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as he could to the nearest house down
the almost four and a half mile road.

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Mark is in a panic, but before he leaves,
Shirley was smart enough to write a note.

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And that note said.

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Quote.

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This is an emergency.

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We have 15 people approximately
seriously injured.

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We need helicopters, scoot nets,
medics, crash, nets, and manpower.

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We are at cave Creek resurgence top
platform collapsed 100 foot drop.

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End quote.

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And then he was on his way.

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But a little after he left,
Shirley ended up running into

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two cyclists who she sent after.

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Mark.

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They managed to catch up to him.

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And one of them gave mark his
bike for him to ride to the house.

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By the time he made it to
the house to call for help.

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It was 12, 15.

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And mark was too distressed and
breathless to finish the phone call.

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So the homeowner ended up finishing it
by reading the note that Shirley wrote.

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And at this point, it had been 50
minutes since the platform collapsed.

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A rescue helicopter, an air
force chopper with four medics.

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Three firetrucks and a local
rescue team were dispatched.

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Meanwhile, John and the two other
students, Darren and Leanne were

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making their way to the bottom of cave
Creek to check on everyone who fell.

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Before they could go down, John
pulled them aside and warn them

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about what they were going to see.

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But nothing could have prepared
them for what happened next.

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Once they got to the bottom, all
they could see was the platform

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destroyed on top of rocks.

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There were two large rocks with space
in between them and the platform

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landed on top of those rocks.

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There were some people laying on
top of the platform, but most of

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the people were underneath it.

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I'll explain exactly how that happened
later, but once they got down there, they

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had a slight feeling of amazement when
among the students laying all around.

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Stacy stood up.

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When the platform fell, he was
standing in a spot where he was

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able to grab onto the wood and kind
of slide down after the platform.

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He was mostly uninjured and John
told him to go sit with Carolyn.

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A, student screaming and yelling at
them to get her out and suffering with

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a leg that was broken in three places.

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At this time, pretty much the only
thing that could be heard with

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students, screaming and crying.

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Another student.

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Named Scotty.

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was also screaming and they
couldn't get him to stop.

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He just wanted to be freed since he
was trapped under four other students

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and was becoming increasingly agitated.

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It was such a tight space between
the rocks and under the platform

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that they had a hard time getting
under there to check on other people.

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The group spent the next hour
separating the injured from

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the ones who didn't make it.

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And after that hour, There were
only six students still alive.

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One was unconscious and breathing poorly.

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His name was kit.

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Kay was raised on a large sheep station
where both of his parents worked.

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He was a bit of a troublemaker, but it was
only his way of trying to be different.

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He was excited to be in the program
and felt like he found his people.

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This was about the time that
surely came back to the platform.

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She got clothing from the vehicles and was
going down to ask John where Steve was So

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she could get the keys to the vehicles.

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But all John could tell
her was that he was sorry.

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Steve was dead.

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She couldn't really process that.

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At this point, everyone was in such
a focus mode, trying to help who they

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could, that they didn't really have time
to process the gravity of what happened.

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But for Leanne, when she
saw her best friend, any.

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at the bottom.

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That's where she lost it.

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Because Annie was at the
bottom of everything.

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All of the students, the conservation
officer and the platform.

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The way she looked Leann,
almost felt relieved.

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She wasn't alive because she wouldn't
have wanted her to be in that state.

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After an hour and a half past, everyone
started to wonder if help was ever coming.

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If the message was ever sent.

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And just as Darren was about
to leave, to go send a second

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message, to get help to them.

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A helicopter arrived overhead.

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It was 100 minutes after
the platform Collapsed.

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Now one 10 in the afternoon.

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The helicopter was there, but there was
still no medical help on the ground.

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So John and Shirley were forced to
pick who would be airlifted first.

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They had no medical training and no basis
of determining who should go first or

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even how to make that decision at all.

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Do you pay it?

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Who has the highest chance of survival?

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Do you pay it?

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Who has the worst injuries?

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Do you bother sending someone
who you don't think has the

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best chance of survival before
sending those who, you know, will.

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They struggled to choose between Sam.

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And Scotty.

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But figured Sam was worse off.

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So they put him on the stretcher first.

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They weren't actually sure how to
put someone on the stretcher securely

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and safely, but the helicopter was so
loud that they ask it to go away for

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a bit until they got him strapped on
and then asked for it to come back.

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Scotty was getting increasingly agitated.

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So they decided they would send him next.

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But he was becoming so loud and
everyone was already so upset

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and distraught that they decided
to get away from him for a bit.

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Just so that he wouldn't
be so loud next to them.

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But after a minute,

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he got quiet.

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And when they went to check on him,
they realized he stopped breathing.

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It felt like everyone stopped
breathing when that happened.

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At some point during this time, One mom
said that the news just came on and she

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heard that there was an accident that
killed 15 people that were there that day.

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She sat and waited to hear from Peter
Shaw, her son, who was on the trip.

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Peter was heavily involved in search
and rescue since the age of 13 and had

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his own team that he was leading by 18.

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He would have moved mountains to
make sure she knew he was okay.

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She wouldn't hear anything.

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Until 9:00 PM.

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When the helicopter came back,
they decided to send Carolyn Smith

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next, since she had a broken leg.

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And at this point it was
two in the afternoon.

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After her, they sent Stacy,
since he didn't appear to be

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visibly injured, he went last.

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And then first

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responders finally arrived on scene.

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On the ground where the injured were at.

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One of them helped Leanne, who
was again, extremely distraught.

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And once the first responders arrived,
Steven was actually able to get help.

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They couldn't move him before or
get him airlifted out Because he

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had spinal injuries and they weren't
qualified enough to even try to move

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him without making things worse.

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So practically three hours after
they collapse a person with severe

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spinal injuries was able to get help.

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And Stephen's injuries were so severe that
I'll actually get back into that later.

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At around two 30, Shirley
and John finally left.

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John and the survivors didn't get back
to gray mouth until 7:00 PM that night.

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During that time, it took three
hours for the police and air teams to

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airlift out the 14 who didn't make it.

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By six 15, the bodies had been
laid out for identification at a

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temporary morgue at a hospital.

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But it wouldn't be until 8:00 PM.

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For formal identification to be complete.

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And only then.

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Eight hours after the collapse,
could parents be notified?

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For most of the parents, they had
to call around to get answers.

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Peter's dad called the police who
told him to call the hospital.

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And they told him not to hold out hope.

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He said the hardest part
was telling Peter's mom.

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Some parents had to call the school
counselors to figure out what happened.

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And they would be confused,
wondering why the police hadn't

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contacted the parents yet.

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And that's how they found out.

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For some parents, they said that it didn't
become real until certain things happened.

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For Evan Stuart's parents who raised Evan
on a sheep and cattle farm and said, Evan

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loved the outdoors and rock climbing.

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After milling, he was dead.

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They wanted to do the funeral quickly.

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Up until that point, the dad
was able to hold it together.

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But when he was asked about
cremation or burial, He lost it.

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For Alison Blackman's mom, three
things made it very real for her.

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One was the person that called and
told her there was an awful accident.

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Then the minister calling
with a grave sounding voice.

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And last was meeting with
the funeral director.

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Officer oh His mom received a
call about him being dead and

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asking if she would identify him.

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That's how she found out.

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Steven Hansen, the one who had to
be airlifted by trained paramedics

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due to spinal injuries, suffered
with broken legs, arms ribs,

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and his jaw in three places.

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His bowel was ruptured and he had a
collapsed lung and smashed vertebrae.

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He had incomplete tetraplegia and
spent 16 months in the hospital

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and had over 10 procedures.

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The day after the accident, the parents
went to cave Creek to see what happened.

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They needed answers for why their
children were no longer with them.

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And when they got to the location
where the platform was supposed to be.

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They were shocked.

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Because there was no platform.

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There were no supports, no
counterweights, nothing was there.

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They could only cross their fingers to
hope an official inquiry would be started.

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At the same time the police had
started their investigation.

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And the director general of the department
of conservation and the acting minister

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of conservation visited the site.

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The following Monday, there was a Memorial
service that the prime minister attended.

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And that very day, the
inquiry was announced.

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It started in July and would
go until September and it

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looked at a variety of things.

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Each thing increasingly more infuriating.

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And just wait till you hear
what happens at the end.

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So there was a lawyer representing
the victims and survivors and

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families, and then one representing
the department of conservation.

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Since everyone is like, how
could this have happened?

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Who do we blame?

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So here's how the platform
ended up collapsing.

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To Northern operation managers named
Kevin Wilde and Trevor worthy came

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up with this concept of, you know,
this walkthrough bullet Creek farm so

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that people could have easy access to
the wilderness while protecting the

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environment and ensuring public safety.

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Kevin put the manager of the Punakaiki
field office in charge of the platformed.

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His name was Craig Murdoch.

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Now Craig had never
done anything like that.

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So he gave the details to a
worker Named Les Van Dyke who had

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never built a platform before.

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He wasn't an engineer architect
or anything like that.

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He was actually a motor mechanic by trade.

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Now they put Vandyke in charge of
this, but I'm going to tell you now

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that even though he shouldn't have
been put in charge of building this

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platform, this tragedy was not his fault.

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In my opinion.

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You can have feeling towards him
now, but I think they're going

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to change by the end of this.

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So Vandyke finished his
plans in November of 1992.

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And Kevin Wilde approved it.

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He didn't refer the .Plans to
professional engineer, but at the time

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it wasn't super common to do that.

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Since it was approved, Vandyke
built the prefabricated platform

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at the Punakaiki site and that
December the very next month.

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Uh, helicopter carried the
platform to cave Creek.

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Coincidentally on new year's day, 1993.

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Just a few weeks after that a new
building act came into effect, which said

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that government departments, including
the doc, had to apply for building

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permits through local authorities.

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For any structure that if it
collapsed would cause the occupants

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to fall more than one meter.

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An email about that act was
sent out in June of 1992.

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To all the doc managers.

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For the next few months, the platform
just kind of sat where it was dropped

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by the helicopter by cave Creek
until April 22nd and 23rd of 93.

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There were a few working days
that the doc had planned.

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18 doc staff were assigned to clear
the tracks and other maintenance tasks.

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A group of four was assigned to
assemble the viewing platform.

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Kevin Wilde, Mark Davis.

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Colin Molqueen and Graham Quinn.

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Graham had completed a carpentry
apprenticeship, but that was

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pretty much it for the amount of
qualifications people had in this group.

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Vandyke, the one assigned to design
the platform was strangely assigned to

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another group, upgrading the tracks.

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No one in that group of four consulted
his plans or took them to the

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site before they started building.

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And Dyke's plans had steel
supports, counterweights bolts.

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Pretty much.

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Most of what is needed to have a
pretty solid platform actually.

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Kevin and another person in the group
said that they weren't given the plans or

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they didn't remember hearing about them.

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Another person said there was very
little discussion about the way they

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would actually build the platform.

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So I'm sure you can imagine how this went.

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They didn't exactly have a plan for the
positioning of the support post for the

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platform, which I'm going to call piles.

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The engineer in me just can't help it.

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There was no good laid out.

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They just kind of eyeballed everything
and stuck the piles where they

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could fit them around the roots
and rocks that were on the ground.

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they weren't laid out in
a straight line at all.

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They were literally randomly placed
And I'm guessing they forgot that

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where they were building was over
allege because the piles were actually

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hammered so far through the earth.

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That they were hanging out on
the other side of the ground.

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the piles that should have been in the
ground so that they can be supportive.

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We're just hanging in the air
on the other side of the ledge.

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If they had kept hammering the
piles down, they would have

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fallen through then in there.

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100 feet down where the platform
would eventually end up.

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And speaking of hammers, they used
hammers and nails for the entire design.

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Because they didn't have a drill.

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They couldn't find one.

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No one thought to bring ones.

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So they just used hammers and
nails for the whole thing.

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200 nails in total to be exact.

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Or somewhere around there.

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100 on the first day
and 100 on the second.

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There were adults there, but because
they didn't have a drill, they

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just decided to use the nails.

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But I digress to build the
rest of the bridge to attach

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the bearings, to the piles.

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They put another piece of wood between it.

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So you have your support piles.

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That's supposed to be in the ground,
but it's actually hanging out

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on the other side of the ground.

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And then they put a little one to two inch
block of wood in front of it as a support,

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and then attach the actual bearing to
support the base level of the platform.

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So instead of the nail doing its
job, that it really shouldn't have

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been doing in the first place.

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00:24:18,514 --> 00:24:22,774
It wasn't really doing its job because
this little nail had to go through

466
00:24:22,774 --> 00:24:24,994
about four to six inches of wood.

467
00:24:25,494 --> 00:24:27,294
Before it reached the support pile.

468
00:24:27,794 --> 00:24:32,414
So really the nails didn't make it
even a quarter of a way into the pile.

469
00:24:32,914 --> 00:24:35,104
The nail was pretty much
just there for show.

470
00:24:35,604 --> 00:24:39,894
After that they cut off the access height
of the piles to make it even, and that

471
00:24:39,894 --> 00:24:41,454
would take up most of the first day.

472
00:24:41,954 --> 00:24:44,774
The second day, the group of
four, I came back and detached.

473
00:24:44,774 --> 00:24:48,554
The prefabricated platform that
Bendeich had started previously.

474
00:24:48,914 --> 00:24:51,674
To the top of their construction
that they built the day before.

475
00:24:52,174 --> 00:24:56,074
They decided the amount of
cantilever by pushing the boards

476
00:24:56,134 --> 00:24:59,434
in and out and seeing how much
they could see below the platform.

477
00:24:59,934 --> 00:25:03,534
Cantilever is where one end of a
structure is anchored into place.

478
00:25:03,784 --> 00:25:07,264
While the rest of it just kind of
juts out into space without any

479
00:25:07,264 --> 00:25:09,004
ground underneath it to support it.

480
00:25:09,504 --> 00:25:12,774
So one end of the platform was
on the ground and the rest was

481
00:25:12,804 --> 00:25:14,814
just held out over the ledge.

482
00:25:15,314 --> 00:25:19,034
They determined that aspect of it,
by how much they could see below.

483
00:25:19,534 --> 00:25:21,244
There were no calculations or anything.

484
00:25:21,274 --> 00:25:24,334
It was more like eyeballing
and going, oh, I feel like we

485
00:25:24,334 --> 00:25:26,134
can see too much or too little.

486
00:25:26,634 --> 00:25:30,174
Kevin and another worker spent part
of the second day digging a trench

487
00:25:30,204 --> 00:25:33,444
at the back of the platform while
the others finished the handrails.

488
00:25:33,944 --> 00:25:37,574
They wanted to come back another day
and build the concrete steps to be

489
00:25:37,574 --> 00:25:39,524
attached to the platform by bolts.

490
00:25:40,024 --> 00:25:43,234
That was supposed to act as the
counterweight, but there was no

491
00:25:43,234 --> 00:25:46,744
actual discussion about how, or
when this was going to be done.

492
00:25:47,244 --> 00:25:50,154
And then after this group
finished their platform.

493
00:25:50,544 --> 00:25:55,344
That I'm 100% sure they believe to
be built safely because after they

494
00:25:55,344 --> 00:25:59,334
did it all four of them got onto the
platform and had their picture taken.

495
00:25:59,834 --> 00:26:03,824
They clearly didn't realize how
dangerous it was to be on that platform.

496
00:26:04,324 --> 00:26:05,734
One with how it was built.

497
00:26:06,124 --> 00:26:08,974
But two, because there was
no counterweight on it yet.

498
00:26:09,474 --> 00:26:10,734
But it obviously held.

499
00:26:11,124 --> 00:26:12,204
200 nails and all.

500
00:26:12,704 --> 00:26:15,584
But that counterweight wouldn't
be made for another year.

501
00:26:16,064 --> 00:26:19,994
And during this time the park was
open and that platform was open for

502
00:26:19,994 --> 00:26:22,354
people to get on as they pleased.

503
00:26:22,854 --> 00:26:26,664
During that time period where there
was no kind of wait between 1993

504
00:26:26,664 --> 00:26:29,514
and 94 to official visits happened.

505
00:26:30,014 --> 00:26:34,364
The first one was in September and one
official made a joking remark about

506
00:26:34,364 --> 00:26:38,024
if the necessary building consents
had been filed for the platform.

507
00:26:38,524 --> 00:26:42,694
He would later deny saying that, but
someone reported hearing him say it.

508
00:26:43,194 --> 00:26:48,054
Later in 94, colon mall queen was
asked by Kevin to finish the job

509
00:26:48,084 --> 00:26:52,224
And pour the concrete, but Colin
wasn't given any instructions

510
00:26:52,224 --> 00:26:53,784
on what exactly he was building.

511
00:26:54,024 --> 00:26:55,974
And there was no oversight.

512
00:26:56,474 --> 00:27:00,254
He wasn't told to you steel and
there wasn't even steel on site.

513
00:27:00,754 --> 00:27:04,084
He didn't know why he was pouring the
concrete and he believed that they had

514
00:27:04,084 --> 00:27:05,884
fixed the structure securely enough.

515
00:27:06,304 --> 00:27:09,784
To the piles that he didn't think
pouring the concrete was important

516
00:27:09,784 --> 00:27:11,884
to the safety of the system overall.

517
00:27:12,384 --> 00:27:14,214
He didn't know why he
was pouring the concrete.

518
00:27:14,214 --> 00:27:16,374
He just thought it was steps.

519
00:27:16,524 --> 00:27:18,354
He even covered it with wood decking.

520
00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:22,454
Three months after that, the second
official visit happened with the

521
00:27:22,454 --> 00:27:26,654
conservation board and the issue of
consent was raised for the platform.

522
00:27:27,154 --> 00:27:30,874
This meeting was between Bruce
Watson regional conservator.

523
00:27:31,374 --> 00:27:35,004
Kevin Wilde, Craig Burdoch
and a chairman of the board.

524
00:27:35,504 --> 00:27:38,744
When Bruce heard that there wasn't
a building consent for the platform.

525
00:27:38,774 --> 00:27:40,634
He was very unhappy with it.

526
00:27:40,964 --> 00:27:44,024
And he then asked Kevin and credit
to get the necessary consent

527
00:27:44,024 --> 00:27:45,824
done and follow up with it.

528
00:27:46,324 --> 00:27:49,744
At first, they were doing that,
but when they were unable to

529
00:27:49,744 --> 00:27:53,734
get the necessary consents, they
just filed the application away.

530
00:27:54,234 --> 00:27:58,734
And January of 1995, a warning
sign was ordered for the platform

531
00:27:58,824 --> 00:28:00,204
for a maximum person limit.

532
00:28:00,704 --> 00:28:04,184
The employee who ordered that sign
was on vacation when it came in.

533
00:28:04,514 --> 00:28:07,064
So the sign was just
put away and forgotten.

534
00:28:07,564 --> 00:28:10,984
The maximum capacity for the
platform was five people.

535
00:28:11,484 --> 00:28:14,364
And a later experiment was
show the platform collapsing

536
00:28:14,364 --> 00:28:15,924
with only 10 people on it.

537
00:28:16,424 --> 00:28:18,554
So let's count up the mistakes.

538
00:28:19,054 --> 00:28:21,094
One, there was no building consent.

539
00:28:21,624 --> 00:28:24,654
Two the designer wasn't
qualified for the job.

540
00:28:25,154 --> 00:28:25,694
Three.

541
00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:27,134
It was a faulty design.

542
00:28:27,634 --> 00:28:29,584
For, they didn't use steel.

543
00:28:30,084 --> 00:28:32,814
Five, they didn't use the design plans.

544
00:28:33,314 --> 00:28:34,034
Six.

545
00:28:34,334 --> 00:28:36,914
Was the designer was left out
of the construction group.

546
00:28:37,414 --> 00:28:40,834
Seven, the bearings reportedly
nailed to the piles.

547
00:28:41,334 --> 00:28:45,204
Eight, the platform was never
attached to the counterweight.

548
00:28:45,704 --> 00:28:46,484
And nine.

549
00:28:46,724 --> 00:28:49,064
The maximum capacity sign was lost.

550
00:28:49,564 --> 00:28:52,774
And there are more, I could get
really nitty gritty with it, but.

551
00:28:53,274 --> 00:28:53,964
I digress.

552
00:28:54,464 --> 00:28:57,914
After that all of the parents were
certain that something would be done.

553
00:28:58,334 --> 00:29:02,684
Someone would be held responsible because
you don't get to be that disorganized.

554
00:29:03,074 --> 00:29:07,064
To have a government organization
so poorly functioning and

555
00:29:07,064 --> 00:29:08,774
no one be held responsible.

556
00:29:09,274 --> 00:29:09,694
But.

557
00:29:10,194 --> 00:29:11,664
That's exactly what happened.

558
00:29:12,164 --> 00:29:15,584
According to judge noble who
sided with the docx argument.

559
00:29:15,974 --> 00:29:19,364
That it was a systemic failure
on behalf of the organization.

560
00:29:19,784 --> 00:29:23,054
So he couldn't point the blame
at any single individual.

561
00:29:23,554 --> 00:29:24,574
No one was fired.

562
00:29:25,074 --> 00:29:26,154
No one was find.

563
00:29:26,654 --> 00:29:28,124
No one went to jail.

564
00:29:28,624 --> 00:29:32,224
People were telling the parents, you
know, shouldn't you just try to make

565
00:29:32,224 --> 00:29:33,844
sure that this doesn't happen again.

566
00:29:34,234 --> 00:29:36,454
But the parents of the
victims were feeling that it

567
00:29:36,454 --> 00:29:37,984
shouldn't have happened at all.

568
00:29:38,374 --> 00:29:39,784
And they wanted accountability.

569
00:29:40,284 --> 00:29:43,674
They tried to see if they could go
after the officials themselves, but

570
00:29:43,704 --> 00:29:46,854
there were rules in the government that
prevented that from being possible.

571
00:29:47,354 --> 00:29:50,624
The police were the only other
people who could've gone after the

572
00:29:50,624 --> 00:29:54,164
individuals, they felt were responsible
for the deaths in cave Creek.

573
00:29:54,664 --> 00:29:57,994
And the lead investigator himself
was actually surprised that

574
00:29:57,994 --> 00:29:59,374
the people weren't prosecuted.

575
00:29:59,874 --> 00:30:03,204
But as it turns out, the solicitor
general would have had to make the

576
00:30:03,234 --> 00:30:05,004
ultimate decision on that case.

577
00:30:05,504 --> 00:30:07,274
And he decided not to pursue it.

578
00:30:07,774 --> 00:30:10,924
Possibly because of how high into the
government the investigation would go.

579
00:30:11,424 --> 00:30:14,034
Now, this did shock me,
but this is New Zealand.

580
00:30:14,064 --> 00:30:16,734
So I'm not sure how the
justice system works there.

581
00:30:17,234 --> 00:30:21,224
But here in America, they go
after everybody for everything.

582
00:30:21,284 --> 00:30:25,004
I mean, even the presidents are
not safe from being prosecuted.

583
00:30:25,504 --> 00:30:29,674
But the only person who resigned
in a meaningful way at a meaningful

584
00:30:29,674 --> 00:30:33,964
time was Bruce Watson, the original
conservator who told them to get

585
00:30:33,964 --> 00:30:35,614
the platform properly certified.

586
00:30:36,114 --> 00:30:38,394
The parents felt he shouldn't
have had to do that.

587
00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:41,484
Because he was the only one
who did his job, honestly.

588
00:30:41,984 --> 00:30:45,584
A year after the tragedy, the
minister of conservation would resign.

589
00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:49,184
But he still remained as a
full member of the cabinet.

590
00:30:49,684 --> 00:30:52,504
And 1997, bill Mansfield would resign.

591
00:30:53,004 --> 00:30:54,474
He was the head of the doc.

592
00:30:54,974 --> 00:30:58,244
He originally said he wouldn't
resign in the beginning because he

593
00:30:58,244 --> 00:31:01,514
wanted to see through the changes to
make sure this didn't happen again.

594
00:31:02,014 --> 00:31:05,824
But it's speculated that he
was eventually pushed out, even

595
00:31:05,824 --> 00:31:07,204
though he denied those claims.

596
00:31:07,704 --> 00:31:11,244
Decades after the disaster, the
department of conservation claims

597
00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:13,104
that it restructured its organization.

598
00:31:13,604 --> 00:31:15,164
They have more people in the field.

599
00:31:15,464 --> 00:31:18,074
There are clear lines of
leadership and accountability.

600
00:31:18,574 --> 00:31:22,144
And it's not a question that if a
similar accident happened again,

601
00:31:22,644 --> 00:31:26,574
The head of the organization and
potentially anyone else responsible.

602
00:31:27,074 --> 00:31:29,294
Are required to hand in their resignation.

603
00:31:29,794 --> 00:31:33,604
They make it a point to make it
known that since that accident.

604
00:31:33,964 --> 00:31:36,004
They thoroughly trained their officers.

605
00:31:36,004 --> 00:31:37,024
And safety.

606
00:31:37,024 --> 00:31:38,164
And procedures.

607
00:31:38,664 --> 00:31:41,604
And that they go through
training regularly, revisiting

608
00:31:41,634 --> 00:31:43,314
what went wrong in cave Creek.

609
00:31:43,814 --> 00:31:47,114
Cave Creek is now a Memorial,
but the parents have different

610
00:31:47,114 --> 00:31:48,674
ways of honoring their kids.

611
00:31:49,174 --> 00:31:53,224
The parents of one victim took a
stone from block farm by cave Creek

612
00:31:53,314 --> 00:31:56,464
and put a plaque on it that sits
by the pond on their property.

613
00:31:56,714 --> 00:31:58,424
That their child loved to catch trucks.

614
00:31:58,454 --> 00:32:03,814
And as a kid, One father went to a son's
grave every day for a long time and

615
00:32:03,814 --> 00:32:05,584
would write poetry and read it to him.

616
00:32:06,084 --> 00:32:07,734
Some parents say they cry.

617
00:32:07,794 --> 00:32:09,594
What feels like all day?

618
00:32:09,924 --> 00:32:11,814
And some managed to barely cope.

619
00:32:12,314 --> 00:32:16,544
The parents of one victim said, they feel
like they've been given a life sentence.

620
00:32:17,044 --> 00:32:20,134
And one mother says she leaned
heavily into her religion.

621
00:32:20,634 --> 00:32:26,094
One father goes through the inquiry
over and over again and says he probably

622
00:32:26,094 --> 00:32:29,604
wouldn't ever be able to move on
unless there was true accountability.

623
00:32:30,104 --> 00:32:34,304
Within three years following the disaster,
most of the people involved with the

624
00:32:34,304 --> 00:32:36,794
platform moved on from the organization.

625
00:32:37,294 --> 00:32:38,854
The victims of cave Creek.

626
00:32:39,354 --> 00:32:40,524
Where Catherine McCarthy.

627
00:32:41,024 --> 00:32:42,074
Abraham lawnmower.

628
00:32:42,574 --> 00:32:43,354
DeAnn Reed.

629
00:32:43,854 --> 00:32:44,724
Paul Chisholm.

630
00:32:45,224 --> 00:32:46,124
Scott Murray.

631
00:32:46,624 --> 00:32:47,644
Alison Blackmon.

632
00:32:48,144 --> 00:32:49,134
Anne-Marie Cook.

633
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:50,684
Jody Davis.

634
00:32:51,184 --> 00:32:51,874
Peter Shaw.

635
00:32:52,374 --> 00:32:53,274
Barry Hopson.

636
00:32:53,774 --> 00:32:54,584
Matthew Reed.

637
00:32:55,084 --> 00:32:55,694
Kit pawsy.

638
00:32:55,694 --> 00:32:57,384
Eva n Stewart.

639
00:32:57,884 --> 00:33:00,794
And doc Poona KCI field center manager.

640
00:33:01,214 --> 00:33:02,014
Steven O'Dea.

641
00:33:02,404 --> 00:33:05,044
What do you think about the
fallout from this tragedy?

642
00:33:05,544 --> 00:33:08,544
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643
00:33:08,544 --> 00:33:10,104
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644
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645
00:33:14,344 --> 00:33:15,034
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646
00:33:15,534 --> 00:33:16,434
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